Open thread, 5/15, Braves vs. Oscar Villarreals

Win today and the Braves can salvage a .500 road trip, which is all you can ask of a team returning from their second 10-day road trip in little over a month.

Regardless, my confidence is waning. The Braves have been shut out six times already — nearly half as many times as they were blanked in all of 2012. I’m having a hard time believing the Keith Laws of the world who insist strikeouts don’t matter.

Not that the stat geeks will concede a thing.

Check out this exchange between DOB and some stat geeks angered by his tweet that three Braves rank among

  1. Amazing to see how some are compelled to tell others just how they should interpret certain stats. Like folks can’t process info themselves.

  2. @ajcbraves …you’re just editorializing. We look to you for news. There are already plenty of columnists out there to ignore.

@BravesLarry By simply stating that 3 #Braves rank in the top 7 in the NL, I’m editorializing? That is … I don’t even know. Astounding.

  1. @ajcbraves You provide no context or reasons why it’s not that significant as a standalone fact. Trying to elicit a certain reaction.

  2. @ajcbraves The fans are screaming their head off about K totals, while the most read beat man is leaving out the fact that historically…

  3. @ajcbraves …team strike out totals have a very weak correlation to team runs scored. You could do a lot to prevent this false narrative.

@ajcbraves It’s lying by omission, and now the average fan (who cannot process info) thinks that K totals are the be all end all.

I wonder if these guys realize, or even care, how obnoxious and patronizing they sound? Might as well debate gun control with Wayne LaPierre.

No doubt Dan Uggla has their back. He has two strikeouts for every hit this year and at his current pace is more likely to top 200 K’s than 100 hits. Process that info, bitches!

Fortunately, K-Uggla is not in the line-up that’ll face Ian Kennedy, who has just one win and a 4.83 ERA.

Schafer lf, Simmons ss, JUpton rf, Freeman 1b, McCann c, BUpton cf, Francisco 3b, Pena 2b, Hudson p

Huddy’s ERA isn’t much better (4.70) but he’s dominated at Chase Field. If he can avoid that one bad inning the  Braves should return home still in first place.

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17 Comments on Open thread, 5/15, Braves vs. Oscar Villarreals

  1. Dan Uggla strikes out ‘cuz he sucks. He doesn’t suck ‘cuz he strikes out. (big difference!)

    I’d rather have a dude who has a .400 OBP and strikes out 200 times than a dude with a .250 OBP who strikes out 10 times (and pops/grounds out the rest)

  2. I agree with you there, though if it came down to Ichiro and Adam Dunn in their primes, I’d take over Ichiro over a fat disinterested load.

  3. Adam Dunn when he was young was a totally different player. He used to steal bases and had a great arm in the outfield.

    Let’s compare Justin Upton and Andrelton Simmons (and ignore homers and defense) Upton gets on base way more but also strikes out way more. Which player would you rather have?

  4. I don’t buy the “out is an out” maxim because it depends on the situation. What if there’s a runner at 3rd in the 9th — a fly ball, even a grounder to deep short, is certainly more preferable than a strikeout.

  5. I said Dunn in his prime — compared to Ichiro in his prime. Who would you take?

  6. pepefreeus // May 15, 2013 at 6:03 pm //

    Leaving Schaefer in there to make the third out with two runners on base (twice) is Fredi at his idiotic apex.

  7. I disagree — Jordan’s actually been hitting, unlike most of his teammates.

  8. pepefreeus // May 15, 2013 at 7:00 pm //

    He’s not the guy I want there in that position, especially against a lefty with Gattis and Johnson available. He’s an OBP guy, not an RBI one.

  9. How are we still in first place? I really hope the team can pull it together when they get back to Turner field; this road trip has been pretty lackluster…

  10. Sorry I’m late coming back on this.

    In his prime, Dunn scored roughly as many runs as Ichiro did (about ten short per year) and drove in way more (30-40 more). One could argue that those stats are a function of their teammates. Both players had similar OBPs, but Dunn’s SLG was about 100 points higher. In his prime, Dunn hit 40+ home runs every year and led the league in strikeouts three times. Ichiro set the single-season hits records and stole a ton of bases but rarely walked and didn’t hit for much power.

    I’m still going with Dunn over Ichiro.

  11. Tokyokie // May 16, 2013 at 8:52 am //

    Aren’t the same guys who are arguing that an out is an out the same ones who emphasize K/IP for pitchers?

  12. Tokyokie // May 16, 2013 at 9:06 am //

    Also, checking the standings I see the Braves have played only 14 home games so far this season. That’s by far the lowest of any other N.L. team. The next lowest is 18 by the Marlins and three other teams, but a 14-26 split is far worse than an 18-22 split. Thanks, Butt Seatlick.

  13. Butt Seatlick. I like it! The schedule will of course even out. I suppose it’s best to get this stretch out of the way early, and to still be in first place afterward ain’t bad. But, yeah, the team has been rather erratic lately.

  14. pepefreeus // May 16, 2013 at 2:43 pm //

    32 of the next 50 at home. Time to start making some hay.

  15. rankin' rob // May 16, 2013 at 3:42 pm //

    Venters is done.

  16. Tokyokie // May 16, 2013 at 3:49 pm //

    charlesad, Somebody else on this site came up with “Butt Seatlick,” and I told I was going to steal it, and by golly, I did.

    rankin’ rob, Crap, but I figured as much.

  17. K/BB more important than K/9.

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