Murph picks up vote for HOF (but it should’ve gone to McGriff)

SI’s Jon Heyman posted his HOF ballot today, saying he’s changed his mind on Murph:

” A clean homer hitter who twice won the NL MVP award and was an iconic player for a while. A converted catcher, he turned himself into a Gold Glove defender in centerfield. He also brought a lot of honor to the game. I finally switched to a “yes” vote this year.”

I wouldn’t object to #3 entering the Hall, thought I wouldn’t vote for him. Another Atlanta Brave, whom Heyman listed as a “close call,”  is more deserving.

HR: McGriff, 493; Murph, 398

RBI: McGriff, 1550; Murph, 1266

BA: McGriff, .284; Murph, .265

Murphy was better defensively and has two MVP awards. But McGriff finished in the Top 10 in MVP balloting six times, twice more than Murphy. And in 50 postseason games, the Crime Dog batted .303 with 10 homers and 37 RBI.

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19 Comments on Murph picks up vote for HOF (but it should’ve gone to McGriff)

  1. PepeFreeUs // December 20, 2010 at 5:48 pm //

    At the risk of being obvious, Jon Heyman is not all that bright.

    They should both be in.

  2. Starving Hog // December 20, 2010 at 6:12 pm //

    Murph was a better all around player than McGriff. McGriff could swing the bat, but was a statue at first base and on the basepaths. Murph was a 30-30 man when it meant something. I’m not trying to take away from McGriff; I’m just giving Murphy is overdue credit.

    Also look at the home run totals during their careers. Sure steroids played a part in the numbers skyrocketing, but so did small parks. Murph showed great power in the huge multi-purpose stadiums of the 80s. Does anybody doubt that (a clean) Schmidt could hit 50 HR if he played his prime in the 90s or 2000s? During the 80s Murphy was only a tick below Schmidt’s power numbers while playing a defensive position (corner infield and outfield positions keep their value as hitters rather than fielders). There wasn’t a better overall player than Murphy in the mid 80s – period. There wasn’t a centerfielder in the same stratisphere (sorry W. McGee). Plus Murphy played without a supporting cast (take Murph off the Braves and they were a good minor league club. Take McGriff off the Braves and they still make it to the playoffs every year.

  3. Murphy played 14 full seasons, only half of which would be deemed as productive. Those were VERY productive years, but still …

  4. Voting: Voting shall be based upon the player’s record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.

    I know that we are all grown-up’s (well the majority of us) and our childish notions of honor and the like have been squashed through the years, but the written requirements for induction to The Hall should have firmly assured Murph’s induction long ago. His playing record is a good one (yes his batting average is low but I feel that most totals stack up for the era that he played in). As for ability, the MVP’s and Gold Gloves attest to that. INTEGRITY, the man was loaded with it! (still is). SPORTSMANSHIP, two words: DALE MURPHY. CHARACTER, Murph was the poster child for “clean” living, on and off the field. If sports figures were ever really intended to be set aside as heros for children, Dale Murphy should be on the Mt. Rushmore of baseball, he didn’t cut corners to get to the top. Couldn’t make it as a catcher or first baseman? okay, he just worked his tail off to become a gold glove outfielder, while winning MVP awards and then when he had reached the top he stuck to his principals and endorsed products like Milk and Baseball Equipment when I am sure that his face could have been plastered on every type of product imaginable for who knows how much money. The man had principals, while everyone may not share the same with such strong conviction. He was somone that fathers and mothers could point to as a positive “role model” to their children. No Scandels, clean all the way. CONTRIBUTIONS TO TEAM, Dale Murphy WAS the Atlanta Braves. I feel that it is a safe bet that if Murph hadn’t been with this team when he was, The Braves may have relocated before the glory years. I know that Ted’s tie to the team and city may outweigh that statement, but it is hard to imagine the Braves drawing even half of what they did in the dismal eighties without #3 being on the team. For most people he was the only reason to turn out or to tune in. The Superstation helped the Braves, but would it have generated the interest without Dale Murphy? I am sure that Ted’s name would have looked good plastered on the side of a stadium in any of the expansion cities. It may be a stretch, but I could have seen it happening considering the ego of the owner in those days.

    Okay, needless to say, Murph was my guy when I was a kid and sure, I would love to see him in The Hall. I do think that he is qualified because of the requirements to get in. It shouldn’t be just “about the stats” for every player. The Hall of Fame and Major League Baseball have already set the standard that if a player was of bad character in the recent era, that the numbers don’t matter. How about acknowledging a player that was among the best in the sport for a decade and that exlemplified everything that the league wants their image to be? Murphy was an ICON in the sport for a period that was riddled with drug scandels, labor disputes, etc. He is Hall worthy, afterall – It’s the Hall of FAME not the Hall of STATS (and his stats weren’t something to dismiss either, or else he wouldn’t even be considered, would he?) I know that this is just my opinion and can be picked apart pretty easily, It just gets me that his contribution to the sport and the Atlanta Braves can be dismissed because he wasn’t a .275 or above lifetime hitter.

  5. I watched hundreds of games that Murphy and McGriff played in. There is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT in my mind that Murphy was a FAR BETTER player than McGriff. McGriff fans can recite stats until they turn blue in the face, DALE WAS BETTER, and should be in the Hall Of Fame.

  6. rankin' rob // December 20, 2010 at 9:25 pm //

    Murphy won’t make the ‘Hall. Can we just leave this dead horse beaten and move on?

  7. afraid your right rankin’rob, just had to be a kid with a dream again for a minute, sorry for the essay (there will be a lot of A hats in C-town in a couple of years though) We can look forward to that I guess.

  8. Jack Straw // December 20, 2010 at 9:59 pm //

    McGriff was a model of consistency. He never shamed himself or the game. As many homers as Gehrig. We won the World Series with him at first base. He belongs.

  9. All I can say is if Phil Rizzuto can get in, I don’t know why Crime Dog and Murph shouldn’t be there as well.

  10. rankin' rob // December 21, 2010 at 7:05 am //

    Read “Cooperstown Confidential: Heroes, Rogues, and the Inside Story of The Baseball Hall of Fame” by Zev Chafets, to better understand why and how that questionable institution operates.

    Once I finished the book, I was kind of glad Murphy wasn’t in the HOF. It could only hurt his image.

  11. Both should be in. McGrill was a dominant player in his day but Murph was a superstar in a different era. His numbers were huge for the 80s. He was a hard working, clean living badass in the time of speed, coke, and small ball. I think many voters have forgotten what baseball was like in the 80s after the monsterball era we’ve just lived through.

  12. It’s amazing to me how no one ever mentions Andruw when talking about the Braves greatest centerfielder. Why isn’t Andruw ahead of Murph? Druw had 10 straight gold gloves. Nobody appreciates Andruw. Murph won 2 straight MVPs hitting 36 hrs. Andruw hit 51 and lost to Albert in 2005.

  13. PepeFreeUs // December 21, 2010 at 4:39 pm //

    Chafets wrote that book to try to muddy the water so worthless cheating scum like Clemens and Bonds can plausibly claim a place. Fuck him and them too.

  14. rankin' rob // December 21, 2010 at 7:02 pm //

    That infers much more of Chafets than I gathered from reading the book. He makes the point that the HOF is filled with cheaters and fixers and scumbags a’plenty from day one, in spite of the HOF’s stated platitudes. So why wouldn’t players from the steroid era eventually be voted in? Clemens and Bonds–fuck them, definitely. But I thought Chafets book was relatively thoughtful and readable, and came from someone who hasn’t made a career out of sucking up to MLB.

  15. Or a career of knowing much about baseball.

    Rob, you can draw your own conclusions but I don’t want to throw my lot in with someone like this: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4192628

  16. Viva Rufino Linares! // December 22, 2010 at 7:16 am //

    I had that Murph poster in my room growing up. I’ll always think Murph should be in the Hall, but he’ll never go. McGriff should go in. Yes, he bounced around, but there is no doubt he was a feared hitter and he produced. Reading Heyman’s article made me think if he changed his vote on Murph and Mattingly, after the Steriods era, do others. Possible both of them see a jump in votes, but I don’t see either of then coming close to induction.

  17. rankin' rob // December 22, 2010 at 8:20 am //

    Chafets is more reasonable than George Will, Bob Costas or any other of the Candyland-Easter Bunny-Morning in America moralists who try to depict the game as anything more than it’s always been since the 1920s–a big business exploiting athletically gifted but by and large malleable if not questionable characters.

    Do you suggest the HOF not elect anyone from the steroid era? Seems to me we would go years without any electees.

  18. Viva Rufino Linares! // December 22, 2010 at 11:25 am //

    Bonds and Clemens will get in. It won’t be first ballot, but they will get in. I would say both of them were Hall of Famer before they started the juice. McGwire, Palmerio, Sosa probably won’t.

  19. PepeFreeUs // December 22, 2010 at 6:19 pm //

    No, I’m not for avoiding everyone from the era. I’m willing to presume innocence in the absence of evidence. But for people who are known to have altered their basic body chemistry the way Bonds and Clemens (who aren’t getting in anytime while most of us are still able to feed ourselves) did? Fuck no. If that makes me a moralist, I’ll take that sash and wear it proudly.

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