Thank God for the wild card

Cliff Lee to return to Phillies

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33 Comments on Thank God for the wild card

  1. I hate the phils.

  2. Doesn’t bother me at all. Lee is going to be good for a year or two and then he’ll start to get old. Just watch it happen.


  4. Jack Straw // December 14, 2010 at 5:19 am //

    That is a fearsome foursome, but they are getting up there in years. At least one will break down by July. We almost put those fuckers away this year. They are not invincible.

  5. rankin' rob // December 14, 2010 at 8:05 am //

    Isn’t it frustrating being in the same division with a team committed to winning championships?

    The only silver lining here is that the Yankees got screwed.

  6. Viva Rufino Linares! // December 14, 2010 at 8:22 am //

    I’d rather he’d have gone to the Yanks. Did anyone see this coming? At all?

  7. The comparisons to the Braves rotations of the 90s are funny. All it does is make me angrier we lost to the 97 Marlins and the 98 Padres.

    Look, two things about the Phillies rotation: they will not have long losing streaks, regardless of their offensive production AND that righty/lefty crap Bobby employed won’t work, so Fredi is going to have his hitters be patient with their breaking stuff, and agressive with their fastballs.

    The Phillies’ outfield has one guy – Victorino, the Braves have one guy – Heyward (and maybe two, Martin, if Chipepr is ready by spring). The Braves infield production is dependent on the health of a guy – Chipper, the Phillies is the same with Jimmy Rollins, who suddenly plays like he’s 57 years old.

    This will be a fun season if everyone stays healthy. Wren better find us a CF…NOW

  8. rankin' rob // December 14, 2010 at 11:46 am //

    Maybe we’ll get Grienke.

  9. I think this marks the first time the Phillies have had double our payroll.

  10. They have a superb rotation, but let’s not get carried away with the hype. Jack and dave are right.

  11. Lee is 32, Oswalt is 33, and Halladay turns 34 early next season. With Hamels (who’s only 26), they’re paying their starting pitchers $60 million this year. But their ballpark is built for offense, not defense, and the core players of their everyday lineup Howard (31), Utley (32) and Rollins (32) are all starting to break down (and are owed about $42 million collectively for this season). And despite spending more than $100 million on just seven guys on the roster, the Phils still need a couple of outfielders, a corner infielder, a catcher and a reliable guy at the back of the bullpen. Those are some pretty big holes for a team with that high a payroll. They’ll be good for one, maybe two seasons, then they’ll be stuck with several bloated contracts of guys who can’t produce. If they don’t win the Series this year, they’ve fucked up big time.

    Now mind you, I would really like to see the Braves ownership spend at least some money and fill a couple of holes on the roster, but I don’t want to see them dropping $24 million a year for the next five seasons on one guy.

  12. Viva Rufino Linares! // December 14, 2010 at 3:11 pm //

    The more think about this, the more I see the Braves getting younger and the Phils getting older. That is a good thing. Oswalt is beatable as is Hamels. Not sure I would give the NL East to them just yet.

  13. teamlittleguy // December 14, 2010 at 3:49 pm //

    Nothing’s ever a lock, but the Phils would appear to have a lot of fallbacks even with injury issues that may pop up. I’m with Malcontent – thank God for the Wild Card.

  14. Time to trade Lowe to the desperate Yanks and lower our payroll. Yanks need Lowe now and they don’t give a fuck about 15 mill a year. Do it so we can get a power hitting outfielder and maybe Greinke.

  15. I think I’d set my sights on Matt Garza instead of Greinke. The Royals are really going to hold somebody up in exchange for Greinke.

  16. PepeFreeUs // December 14, 2010 at 6:09 pm //

    I would rather have Matt, too.

    I’m with the consensus: that is an old team getting older. The last thing we need to do is push the panic button.

    I will say this: they’re not owned (at least to my knowledge) by any sort of moneybags consortium. They have money because they draw well and they draw well because they built a team the right way half a decade ago. There is a lesson there, for us and everyone else.

    And, yes…thos Braves rotation comparisons piss me off. We had three HOFers. They have one.

  17. Our rotation was heroic. Did you see those scores against San Francisco? We need runs, dang blammit (authentic frontier gibberish). We must, MUST lock up Uggla. If he becomes just another rental, it’ll be a sad state of affairs.

  18. Sharon Egan // December 16, 2010 at 7:57 am //

    ^^^ Gabby Johnson is right!!

  19. These are Phillies fans…simple folk…the common clay of the City of Brotherly Love. Y’know…morons.

  20. Viva Rufino Linares! // December 16, 2010 at 10:48 am //

    God, I love Blazin’ Saddles.

  21. 1B – Missed over 20 games last year.

    2B – Missed 47 games last year and has three successive years with declines in BA, HR and RBI.

    SS- Missed 74 games last year, batted .243, yet brought his OBP UP to .320 from sub .300 in 09.

    3B – Ended last season with a broken elbow and strained his back getting into a car in October. Expected to start picking up a bat maybe in January.

    The team – Philadelphia.

  22. Sharon Egan // December 16, 2010 at 12:22 pm //

    No, no, no, dang blammit! The new starting pitcher is a (DINNNGGGG!)

  23. PepeFreeUs // December 16, 2010 at 5:06 pm //

    Apparently Wren is close to extending Uggla for 5 years, which could be described as a laurel…and hearty welcome.

  24. Roadrunner // December 16, 2010 at 5:35 pm //

    Extending Uggla for 5 years doesn’t sound like a great idea to me. He’ll be 31 on opening day. He’s not a great athlete. I hope he doesn’t turn into Richie Sexton.

  25. Pepe, As long as Wren doesn’t send Uggla a Candygram.

  26. Perhaps a quickie with Madeline Kahn will seal the deal.

  27. PepeFreeUs // December 17, 2010 at 2:45 am //

    Uggla only pawn…in game of life.

    Overpay if we have to. He owns Turner Field and I want to see that play out over 81 games rather than 9.

  28. Jack Straw // December 17, 2010 at 6:50 am //

    I’ve always liked Uggla. He plays hard. While that is a lot of money to commit to a player his age, I believe he will be a positive influence in the clubhouse. It’s an important addition, and if he falls off badly we can always send him to the Mets.

  29. Viva Rufino Linares! // December 17, 2010 at 8:55 am //

    I think signing Uggla long term is a good idea. I think you take a chance on him even though he’s 31 on Opening Day.

  30. Saw this from Dayn Perry; normally he annoys me but I think he got this one right…

  31. I think if you’re talking about more than a single year, the best rotation of all time belongs to the ’93-99 Braves. Of course, I’m biased.

  32. Jack Straw // December 17, 2010 at 5:47 pm //

    I am inclined to agree, roadrunner, but the 1969-1971 Orioles are pretty damn close.

  33. Roadrunner // December 18, 2010 at 9:01 am //

    Jack, you’re right. McNally, Palmer, and Cuellar pitched together longer than I thought, and they always had someone good (Dobson, Alexander) in the 4th slot. I think they stayed together until 1975.

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